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第 1 条附言 · 2023-04-26 21:10:48 +08:00
推荐大家看看这个视频 https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1ns4y1A7fj
他还有相关系列的英语学习视频，相当不错
他还有相关系列的英语学习视频，相当不错
第 2 条附言 · 2023-04-26 22:13:42 +08:00
刚看完视频，做了词汇测试： https://my.vocabularysize.com/result/71ffbe2554f0ae3f28f737303da7772f
结果的最后一段里面有一句：The most common recommendation for improving vocabulary is usually to read as much as possible.
我想我应该是误打误撞找到正确的方式了吧。 至少是适合我的正确方式。
结果的最后一段里面有一句：The most common recommendation for improving vocabulary is usually to read as much as possible.
我想我应该是误打误撞找到正确的方式了吧。 至少是适合我的正确方式。
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smallyu 2023-04-26 13:26:29 +08:00  1
建议用英文发帖，并且用英文分享经验，能够直接体现出你有多么成功
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dekuofa OP 53
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xiasohan 2023-04-26 14:07:09 +08:00
关注了
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chi1st 2023-04-26 14:16:54 +08:00 via Android
感谢分享
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Wkdbq 2023-04-26 14:47:20 +08:00
感谢分享
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yank0362 2023-04-26 14:52:18 +08:00
已关注，感谢分享
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hammy 2023-04-26 14:52:58 +08:00
感谢
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tpeye 2023-04-26 14:55:32 +08:00
感谢分享, 正有打算学起英语
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admin9 2023-04-26 15:01:07 +08:00
感谢分享，喜欢分享的人最帅！
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AA5DE3F034ACCB9E 2023-04-26 15:20:45 +08:00
哇，点赞。
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godfunc 2023-04-26 15:30:16 +08:00
求推荐！！！有没有适合初级英语学习者的读物推荐
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dekuofa OP |
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qzsi001 2023-04-26 15:48:33 +08:00
比较好奇 op 之前的词汇量有多少，因为每个人的词汇量不一样，我想直接上来看英英词典可能是一脸懵逼
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idealhs 2023-04-26 15:53:25 +08:00
语法这么重要吗，这和我的理解不一样，我觉得一定要多接触，多听说读写。
你从小学中文，也没学过语法，“玩原神玩的”这种难度语法的句子不都是随便理解么 英语同理，你只要知道它是这么用的就可以了，没必要理解为什么 |
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dengshen 2023-04-26 15:53:59 +08:00
op 推荐一下小学生能看懂的课外书(有趣一点的)
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TabGre 2023-04-26 15:54:19 +08:00
首先还是到 7000 单词吧，我也在重拾英语，第一步是通篇完成新概念 4 的课程与文章背诵
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dekuofa OP @dengshen #15
没法推荐，你可以网上搜一下，我看了一些别人推荐的网络读物（低龄向的），感觉太幼稚了完全坚持不下去 |
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z7356995 2023-04-26 16:06:15 +08:00 via Android
楼主现在是不是听不懂新闻？和看不懂英语无字幕电影，因为我看您训练方法偏向于语法和看书
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dekuofa OP @z7356995 #20
不，我之前因为看数学那本书+做题没时间看视频。 最近看其他相关的发现听别人说是没太大的问题，主要我看的也是偏技术向的视频，如果你让我看新闻、电影啥的日常词汇多的我应该还是不太好听懂 |
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Zink99 2023-04-26 16:18:17 +08:00 via iPhone
听，个人认为主要是在于对音标、英文口语节奏的认识，有些辅音对于非母语人士来说听起来没什么区别，需要花功夫练习发出正确的音，找出差别。然后就是英语的节奏和韵律，目前我的方法就是大量听、反复听和模仿。
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Nicksong 2023-04-26 17:00:50 +08:00
感谢分享，这就找找语法书。
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tomasLee 2023-04-26 17:18:54 +08:00
感谢分享, 已经开始学习 learning-how-to-learn
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QianChuanQianYu 2023-04-26 17:20:29 +08:00
请问怎么提高口语呢
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kokdemo 2023-04-26 17:24:55 +08:00
有什么提高英语听力的方案吗，求各位分享
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dekuofa OP @QianChuanQianYu #29
口语方面我暂时还没找到方法，不过我觉得像 24 楼说的一样。多听多说多练。 我现在用的方法就是在阅读书籍的时候自己读出来，遇到不会的单词先尝试自己根据单词拼发音，然后再对照字典的发音调整。 |
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HugoChao 2023-04-26 17:28:30 +08:00
感谢分享，我也在刷雅思 6.5
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QianChuanQianYu 2023-04-26 17:37:52 +08:00
@HugoChao 我在刷口语 6.0
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HugoChao 2023-04-26 17:58:02 +08:00
@QianChuanQianYu 同口语 6 ，我准备把小分留给口语，重点刷听力阅读了，part2 我真的好难说出口
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hugetimors 2023-04-26 18:22:12 +08:00 via iPhone
挺有用的分享的。"口语发音还是不标准，但是听力有提升，能够通过单词来推它的大概发音" 口语推荐尝试影子跟读。另外，也可以试下我发起的一对一外教拼课，我找了我之前在菲律宾认识的老师给我上课，价格超实惠最低只要 38 块(25 分钟)，已经有 10 多个 v2 的小伙伴在一起上课了，感兴趣的可以加我 v: ox_meta (懒得 base64 了，麻烦加的时候备注下 v2 口语课)
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tpxcer 2023-04-26 19:06:13 +08:00 via iPhone
Learning How to Learn 在哪看？一搜好多结果
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snail404 2023-04-26 20:00:26 +08:00
感谢分享，op 从开始学习到现在的程度用了多久了？
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zhandouji2023 2023-04-26 20:23:03 +08:00 via Android
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TomPig0216 2023-04-26 20:31:10 +08:00
给大家推荐个牛津词典网站 https://dictionary.cambridge.org/
挺好用的 |
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lizhesystem 2023-04-26 21:14:52 +08:00
我觉得口语是最难学的，成年人发音和音准很难改变了。
如果只是阅读的话，语法确实很重要，常用的代词、副词、介词、动词也没多少，但是在各个语境里形态意思有时候完全不一样，先学会语法最起码能把句子顺下来知道表达的大概意思，剩下的生词再慢慢记，现在学英语也不是用来考试的，也不用拼写填空，生词看几遍下次就记住了。 |
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hanqian 2023-04-26 21:41:22 +08:00
语法的重要性我是在用上 chatgpt 之后、需要大量写作时才意识到的。
楼主最后说的「一个例子解释语法的作用」挺好。Edge 浏览器自带的阅读模式里有一个「语法工具」，可以用颜色标注词性（如下图所示），这个就类似楼主说的意思，熟悉主谓宾（个人感觉只要需要抓住「动词」就可以）就几乎不会因为 语法原因 而看不懂长难句。（当然如果那个句子所传达的意思本身就很难，那翻译成中文也照样难。）  |
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YiPeng0505 2023-04-26 21:57:37 +08:00
@dengshen libby 上有很多青少年杂志和书，挺有意思的
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dekuofa OP @hanqian #45
我之前也尝试了下类似于 chatgpt 的翻译软件，翻译效果确实很棒，特别是专业向的翻译。 但是后面就没继续使用了，因为我觉得像是欧陆词典自带的翻译虽然不太好用，但是句子中单词的大概意思是有的，一般先尝试自己翻译，如果觉得拿不太准就靠欧陆翻译，再根据它的结果做个对照。 第一次翻译以及对照的过程非常重要，因为你的大脑会去思考如何翻译，我觉得长期坚持这个过程才能最终学会英语。 chatgpt 是个好工具，但是毕竟不是自己的能力，并且它也是有局限的，我推崇合理的使用它，而不是万事非它不可。 |
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chasel0720 2023-04-27 08:30:38 +08:00
感谢分享，正好需要
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encro 2023-04-27 09:12:11 +08:00
不是说不要脑翻吗，要达到无意识理解。
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mailx3 2023-04-27 09:13:09 +08:00
感谢分享！
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Badlink 2023-04-27 09:33:00 +08:00
用 op 这个网站测了一下，感觉有 60%多不认识，最后测出来 5600 个单词族，不知道准不准，因为我觉得我认识的可能没这么多。毕业 2 年了我算是没放下英语，会每天上班路上听一听英语播客，播客内容大致能听懂，但其实很多细节没听明白，不过我觉得也是有效的，需要每天磨一磨耳朵。
我觉得大部分人最大的问题应该就是输出，比如我可以看懂，听懂主要的内容，但是进行表达，交流时就很困难，一方面是语法掌握的不好，另一方面是想不起来单词（就是我认识这些单词，但是我自己组织句子时就只能想到最简单的词汇） |
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wuqiangroy 2023-04-27 09:37:08 +08:00 5
When I started to learn Python, a very known book named "the hard way to learn python", I learned Python step by step and typed every example.
And now I have started to improve my English, I still use `the hard way` to learn and improve it. 1. read as many books as possible, from easiest to harder books, 'the magic tree house series', 'harry potter', 'steve jobs' and other books. I prevented knowing every word, avoiding looking up the unknown words except the word makes me can not understand the entire sentence. 2. Keep listening, I use Apple Podcasts to listen to my favorite episodes, at first I listen to the Ted talks daily, but it's a little difficult for me to understand, they say too fast! So I changed, Now I listen to "Let's Master English" and "Footprint", they suit me, I can understand what they say now! I don't care about the grammar and words, I learn them as a baby, and the baby doesn't care about them too. I hope I can see the English movie without subtitles, and I can talk freely with a native speaker. |
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dekuofa OP @wuqiangroy #52
是的，把自己当作孩子、初学者，彻底忘掉以前学习的东西，不要给自己加上束缚、枷锁（比如：我已经 XX 岁了学不动了，或者语言是小孩才能学懂的东西） 我也去尝试下这些 Podcasts |
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gouchen 2023-04-27 09:53:38 +08:00
一楼哪里来的阴阳怪
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forgottencoast 2023-04-27 10:00:31 +08:00
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forgottencoast 2023-04-27 10:03:20 +08:00
@dengshen #15
如果你问的是英文的，你可以去小红书找吧，那边养娃的多，信息应该很多。 正常来说，要看小学生的水平。水平好的，这个时候已经看章节书了，数不清的书多的看不过来。 像什么《神奇校车》《老鼠记者》基本上就是小学阶段看的。 |
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Wuxj 2023-04-27 10:05:35 +08:00
个人觉得词汇量够了，句子的意思很自然能翻译理解。难的是口语。
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Rindel 2023-04-27 10:08:03 +08:00 via Android
词汇量居然有 8000 不准吧（）
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yiqiao 2023-04-27 10:15:02 +08:00
我这里看讲语法 3 本，个人觉得还是有用的。
1. English for everyone 2. 语法俱乐部 3. 语法新思维 |
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Badlink 2023-04-27 10:19:04 +08:00
看完推荐的这个视频了，真的很不错，感谢推荐
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toben 2023-04-27 10:32:56 +08:00
视频不错，感谢分享，我发现学如何学英语，比学英语，好玩多了
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wb0762 2023-04-27 10:49:38 +08:00
谢谢你真嗣！
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alne 2023-04-27 10:51:58 +08:00 via Android
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alne 2023-04-27 10:53:11 +08:00 via Android
@idealhs 如果是用来交流的话，语法确实不重要。
其实长难句哪来的那么多啊大多数情况下也用不到很复杂的语法 |
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alne 2023-04-27 10:53:52 +08:00 via Android
@QianChuanQianYu 多听，精听
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feelinglucky 2023-04-27 10:54:23 +08:00
You know at least 8,200 English word families!
https://my.vocabularysize.com/result/2dc84a0096634e77e18a88fa3aae445c |
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TUNGH 2023-04-27 11:00:09 +08:00
正是我需要的，赶紧学英语
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kile 2023-04-27 11:13:33 +08:00
旋元佑文法 是港版图书吧?
香港用词和大陆区别还是挺大的,港版书不会影响学习吗 |
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dengshen 2023-04-27 11:21:41 +08:00 via iPhone
@forgottencoast 谢谢，就是给小学生看的
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Simle100 2023-04-27 11:28:04 +08:00
谢谢你的分享，一直在思考如何把英语学好。曾经花了一年半时间，把新概念的文章背到了只剩第四册的最后的 20 篇。但是英语几乎也没啥提升。感觉这次尝试让我重新认识了找到一个适合自己的学习方式是多么的重要啊。。。
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leahoop 2023-04-27 11:33:56 +08:00
坚持打卡式学多邻国 90 天了，感觉没啥进步，打卡不可取
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zhangfeiwudi 2023-04-27 11:46:50 +08:00
老哥 这些书有 pdf 版的吗能分享下吗
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runningowl 2023-04-27 11:56:28 +08:00 1
其实学单词有个 chatgpt 的用法，把新词丢进去让他写个故事，就容易记很多，雅思作文也可以参考提供素材。
口语就只有听和练了，经费有限可以 tb 找菲教 |
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hsir 2023-04-27 11:59:18 +08:00
词汇和阅读还好，就是想知道怎么练口语，没有出国的机会也没有外国人可以说话。。楼主有什么经验吗
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dekuofa OP @hsir #75
没有，我目前对口语还没有太大的需求。你可以看看前面别人的评论 @zhangfeiwudi #73 为了保持这里的良好氛围，V2EX 有自己的明确规则： • 这里绝对不讨论任何有关盗版软件、音乐、电影如何获得的问题 |
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smallboy19991231 2023-04-27 13:02:18 +08:00 via Android
@dekuofa 我在网站查到英语魔法俱乐部，也是旋元佑的书籍，只不过很早的了，后面 19 年又出了他的文法，比上一本多了很多页，我现在词汇小学水平，600 个都是从默默背单词背的最高频单词，不知道这样可以直接看旋元佑文法吗还是先背个 5000 单词再学文法？
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Foreverdxa 2023-04-27 13:23:15 +08:00
学习了，谢谢分享，视频也很有意思，感觉有以前 b 站长视频那种味道，看的人很投入，忘记时间了
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pkwenda 2023-04-27 13:55:34 +08:00
感谢，看完了这个视频视频，严格的按照测试网站的规定，没见过就选不认识，只有 4300 词：
https://my.vocabularysize.com/result/e6ba15fa567a2043a3023db21e3a767b 以后定期测试一下 |
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Cleves 2023-04-27 15:50:01 +08:00
感谢，读了你的文章后受益匪浅。
才知道语法对读懂句子翻译也有这么大的作用。 第一次了解到《 Learning how to learn 》这节课，还有课中带来的好多学习方法和思考模式的概念 |
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hanqian 2023-04-27 17:41:02 +08:00 via iPhone
@dekuofa 我不是用 chatgpt 翻译啊，是直接英文对话。所以我才说通过「大量写作」体会到语法的重要性。
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blankmiss 2023-04-27 17:43:46 +08:00
1 楼有点小丑
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xipuxiaoyehua 2023-04-27 17:55:17 +08:00
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czhh 2023-04-28 08:22:52 +08:00
加油
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cirzear 2023-04-28 10:46:49 +08:00
感谢分享
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CHHHAN 2023-04-28 11:38:22 +08:00
感谢分享
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yxisenx 2023-04-28 15:16:26 +08:00
看到一楼，感觉像是在逛贴吧
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zhifSu 2023-04-28 16:26:57 +08:00
感谢分享，推荐视频看困了，我是真的不适合学英语吗
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koor 2023-05-04 21:17:49 +08:00
这个测试 30 题之后几乎都不认识了，只能根据句意猜
https://my.vocabularysize.com/result/ac4910c29613dcffce88680696fa0bfa |
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Liang1124 2023-05-21 17:12:15 +08:00
严格按照说明测试，不瞎猜，大概 60 题之后就大都不认识了
https://my.vocabularysize.com/result/b5b0f03b1b231c1db1937495ea999df5 我目前在学习 englishPod365 ，感觉认真专注听是有收获的。 旋元佑的语法书，看过三四遍，看过确实有收获，但长时间不用就会忘。 |
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hylqs 2023-08-09 17:01:23 +08:00
https://my.vocabularysize.com/result/880aea17e9160309d095cbe68eed268c
测出来 6100 个词族，要是网站能显示排名就好了 |
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hafung 2023-08-29 13:39:43 +08:00
https://t.me/SweetieKittyBot 一个练习英语口语的 bot （基于 GPT3.5 ，也可以当 gpt 使用，不过回答的会是英文）, 双向语音，很好的陪练，大家玩玩看，顺便练练口语哈
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jojobo 2023-09-05 14:24:39 +08:00
@wuqiangroy 我竟然都看得懂这些英语
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wuqiangroy 2023-09-05 15:27:18 +08:00 1
@jojobo
`我竟然都看得懂这些英语` LOL, and there are no complex sentences and no advanced words. Obviously, you can understand. Language is designed for communication, right? |
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jojobo 2023-09-05 17:57:36 +08:00
yes ，i have a question ，can you share your experience of learning english?
forgive me for my grammer mistakes |
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jojobo 2023-09-05 17:58:23 +08:00
@wuqiangroy yes ，i have a question ，can you share your experience of learning english?
forgive me for my grammer mistakes |
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wuqiangroy 2023-09-06 09:18:24 +08:00
@jojobo
`yes ，i have a question ，can you share your experience of learning english? forgive me for my grammer mistakes` Of course yes. The must reason that drives me is I am working in a global company and the official language is English. Some experience: 1. To build the Env of learning English, You need to force yourself to read the English sentences, listen to the English communications, and write. 2. Choose a suitable level book, and use `lexile` to judge your English level, here is the reference: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lexile 3. Whatever listening and reading, the very important knowledge is comprehensible input, which means you need to receive the knowledge you can understand. 4. The most and most experience is: keeping curiosity and never giving up. You have no sense to keep reading or listening every day but do not re-catch them after several months. I've listened to an episode, it's about comprehensible input and you can listen too: https://podcasts.apple.com/cn/podcast/the-level-up-english-podcast/id1459642847?i=1000626173283 |
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jojobo 2023-09-06 10:03:58 +08:00
@wuqiangroy
Thank you for your valuable suggestions. If you were to say these things to me now, I feel like I would already be understanding the content at a level of n+1 (able to comprehend about 80-90% of it). I have also watched Stephen Krashen's videos on language learning and some English learning videos recommended by OP, such as those by [罗肖尼] . I know that comprehensible input is a scientifically proven method for second language acquisition. However, I am facing a problem right now. My vocabulary is currently around 2000 words, and when I watch Little Fox videos, they seem childish and lack motivation for me to continue watching. On YouTube, most videos are at an n+7/8 level where I have to rely heavily on guessing. After one month of reading practice, I can feel that my English reading has improved, but my listening skills are still very poor. Like the podcast you recommended, I listened for just one minute and couldn't understand it. Perhaps it's because my English listening practice has been limited. I'm not sure what kind of content would be suitable for someone with my vocabulary level in terms of improving listening skills. The above content has been translated and polished using ChatGPT |
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wuqiangroy 2023-09-06 10:34:24 +08:00
@jojobo
`Thank you for your valuable suggestions. If you were to say these things to me now, I feel like I would already be understanding the content at a level of n+1 (able to comprehend about 80-90% of it). I have also watched Stephen Krashen's videos on language learning and some English learning videos recommended by OP, such as those by [罗肖尼] . I know that comprehensible input is a scientifically proven method for second language acquisition. However, I am facing a problem right now. My vocabulary is currently around 2000 words, and when I watch Little Fox videos, they seem childish and lack motivation for me to continue watching. On YouTube, most videos are at an n+7/8 level where I have to rely heavily on guessing. After one month of reading practice, I can feel that my English reading has improved, but my listening skills are still very poor. Like the podcast you recommended, I listened for just one minute and couldn't understand it. Perhaps it's because my English listening practice has been limited. I'm not sure what kind of content would be suitable for someone with my vocabulary level in terms of improving listening skills. The above content has been translated and polished using ChatGPT` These fluent sentences shocked me until I read the last sentence, LOL. For the main point, you want to find suitable listening materials for you. From my side, I think 2000 words have covered most scenes for a person who received the Chinese obligation education. So you can choose some listening materials for American children(You can search on Youtube), and meanwhile, you can improve your vocabulary. |
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